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Mon, 27 Jan 2025 20:18:21 -0800
whiteguyinchina from private IP, post #17216898
đź‘Ť
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Zerosugar - why did italy turn into a shit country after being a beacon of civilization
Roman empire, the venetian and various other sailing city states, the Renaissance in Tuscany
Now it looks like argentina
Discuss
Tue, 28 Jan 2025 09:44:48 -0800
whiteguyinchina from private IP
Reply #13816552
Bump
Thu, 30 Jan 2025 10:16:37 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #11442399
🤣 I'm sorry you are so cowardly that Italians are an easy target for white men who want to be racist, but do not
want to face the social consequences of racism. My mom comes from a village thats so beautiful with houses so big, you would be shocked.
Thu, 30 Jan 2025 10:23:53 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #18080243
I bet you would never have the nerve to tell a Haitian or even Puerto Rican that their country is shit. You are likely
a tourist that has only been top Central Italy and never the deep southern countryside or up north in the Alps. If your only experience is Rome and Florence,
thus you have not seen Italy.
In since my name is already widely known, I will post some links of pics to my Tumblr later when I have the opportunity. You can go back a few months and see my
posts of my country. Regards.
OH I forgot. A few years ago, the Storefront Nordicist basement dwelling neonazis hated Turks and claimed Turks were crypto Jews. Now we are their target. Learn
about what it means to cluster with Eastern Meds. lol. The conspiracy theories never end. I am proud of my ethnicity. We are the group closest to Mycenaeans
along with island Greeks. I cluster with them even more so since I am Arbereshe.
Thu, 30 Jan 2025 10:24:45 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #10812801
Also, thats great you found a country you like with China. I hate to see what slums there look like. You again have
only seen big cities with apartments. You haven't seen all the large homes and nature of the countryside.
Thu, 30 Jan 2025 11:30:04 -0800
whiteguyinchina from private IP
Reply #19663791
đź‘Ť Whoa whoa i love italy don't take it as an insult or take it personally, it was not meant as an insult to you
but as a genuine question. though crudely put but you have to note the forum we are on.
I have driven about 1000 kms in Italy never been to north of venice. Italy is a special place for sure. Love the countryside. Actually love all the old city
state sailing mini empires who were so wealthy back in the days.
But you have to admit that for a first tier European country and economy, apulia resembles Argentina.
And for the splendor of ancient Rome or the intellectual vibrancy of medieval Florence, that magic has faded.
So my genuine question to you is, as an expert on this topic, where do u think Italy went wrong. Or did it.
Thu, 30 Jan 2025 14:22:48 -0800
marlon from private IP
Reply #13378828
u gotta love a fiesty fiery italian girl
Thu, 30 Jan 2025 15:14:11 -0800
whiteguyinchina from private IP
Reply #13131470
She kinda 'oh no you didnh' me, and now I am a racist white male with an america superiority complex, even tho I am
not at all racist
Man these things can come on suddenly
Thu, 30 Jan 2025 15:27:33 -0800
marlon from private IP
Reply #17644678
oh u did it now, she'll get us all
Thu, 30 Jan 2025 16:34:07 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #18268619
Puglia is very diverse. Not all of Puglia is Bari or some coastal area. I’m not Pugliese btw even though my main
ethnic group is from Foggia. I get Foggia because my father’s family are from an Arbëreshë town that’s technically in Campania but very close to Foggia in
the Apennine Mountains. Why do you not ask why the USA and in particular California are not as they were in the 1960s? I can even say Germany and Norway and
Sweden are not the countries they were in the past. Downtown Helsinki and downtown Stockholm are very depressing. Italy was destroyed after WWII and has been
occupied ever since. Our modern history was filled with Spanish and French colonialism too.
Are you trying to imply as many Stormfront and Apicity Users imply that we are failures and not truly related to Ancient Romans or that somehow we are a mixed
race? Well here I present to you my historical matches. Notice iron age Rome not imperial Rome hence my roots go back far and the rest are from Nordic countries
despite the fact that I have no ancestry there. Why do I get no Arab or black historical matches even though 23andme have matches from
those places?
These are my tests. I tested my father too to find out his haplogroup and he was E-v13.
https://ibb.co/Pv5YJXLq
https://ibb.co/fYtKmGwW
https://ibb.co/M5s9pmCQ
https://ibb.co/Xkxgmhhd
https://ibb.co/HMht8bT
https://ibb.co/wZhCwkz3
https://ibb.co/hF2LrBpZ
https://ibb.co/8nSC83vY
https://ibb.co/0R2SpN0d
https://ibb.co/yrgfqm0
https://ibb.co/rRPHp5Wz
https://ibb.co/HLqL4hK3
https://ibb.co/G4xw4Hkm
Thu, 30 Jan 2025 16:49:36 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #19708757
Italy under Berlusconi was also starting to get strong in the early 10s. Sadly, people vote for bad politicians.
Berlusconi was a crappy Lombard too, but at least he was not a racist and was genuinely a smart business man. I hate Lega. I don't buy their reforms. They are
racists. Matteo Salvini talks about Neopolitans smelling. Hilariously, he looks Saudi Arabian. Giorgia Meloni who is half Sicilian and half Sardinian ethnically
with NO blood from the Peninsula looks whiter than him. A white supremacist stormfront loser made this video, but I love this video because it gives northerners
a taste of their own medicine. I hated Renzi too though.
Btw the darkest Italians are neither Southern nor Northern, but Central and I suspect this is due to the Etruscans being a darker people from Anatolia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdLig5mFTqg
Thu, 30 Jan 2025 16:58:46 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #11085282
My mom’s village and surrounding areas.
https://www.tumblr.com/celinaxd/769511546500022272/sila-piccola
https://www.tumblr.com/celinaxd/769511420587081728/sila-piccola
https://www.tumblr.com/celinaxd/766319334201114624
We have villages where you can just walk around and eat berries outside and my best memories are when I traveled with my grandparents in 1997. While I had been
to Italy before that when I was only 3, this was a memorable time. I remember picking mushrooms in the woods with my grandparents and spending so much time with
my grandmother’s sisters who came down from Trento.
https://www.tumblr.com/celinaxd/766139636114505728
https://www.tumblr.com/celinaxd/766139318995746816/some-pics-around-adami-the-village-my-mom-was
https://www.tumblr.com/celinaxd/766139019315888128/more-pics-in-adami-in-particular-my-town-its
https://www.tumblr.com/celinaxd/769511664831905792
https://www.tumblr.com/celinaxd/769511546500022272/sila-piccola
https://www.tumblr.com/celinaxd/768433664869744640/sacred-heart-of-jesus-pray-for-me-as-i-passed
https://www.tumblr.com/celinaxd/767261323093491712/around-adami
https://www.tumblr.com/celinaxd/767261091521773568/chiesa-di-adami
https://www.tumblr.com/celinaxd/766319903006425088/some-pics-of-le-castella-where-there-is-an
https://www.tumblr.com/celinaxd/766139019315888128/more-pics-in-adami-in-particular-my-town-its
https://www.tumblr.com/celinaxd/767342813089251328
Here are some articles about my mom’s village.
https://www.ilreventino.it/blabla-storia-adami-patria-di-una-famiglia-speciale/amp/
https://www.lanuovacalabria.it/reportage-leredita-dei-baroni-stocco-ad-adami-di-decollatura-una-storia-secolare-tra-monarchia-e-rivoluzione
Sorry, but my family were not peasants. After the baron Stocco, my grandfather’s family Costanzo were the second largest landowners in our village. We still
own two homes and a ton of land.
These are
more pics of my travels. In my paternal village of Greci which is the Arbereshe (medieval Albanian) village and in Assisi, Perugia, and Florence. Finally,
what’s wrong with Argentina??? Isn’t it the best and wealthiest Latin American country because of my people???
My father’s family’s village is also not a normal Arbëreshë village of Tosk people who escaped the Ottomans. We were mostly Gheg and always Catholic NOT
Orthodox. These were mercenaries who fought under Skandenberg and who were invited to Italy by the Spanish crown to fight for the kingdom of Spain and given
this land in the mountains.
https://www.tumblr.com/celinaxd/766138121957081088/the-village-of-greci-where-my-paternal-side-are
https://www.tumblr.com/celinaxd/766138767072428032/greci-aka-katundi
https://www.tumblr.com/celinaxd/765805851592261632
https://www.tumblr.com/celinaxd/765716637066346496
https://www.tumblr.com/celinaxd/765716152835096576
https://www.tumblr.com/celinaxd/768909979208024064
https://www.tumblr.com/celinaxd/769227895789027328/i-didnt-see-the-real-david-this-time-just-the
Thu, 30 Jan 2025 17:03:48 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #10485400
Years ago there was a reality show called Secret Princes and there was this eccentric half Polish prince guy from a
village called Martirano close to my mom's village on the show. There are some wealthy people in Martirano too. There is a guy from our town married to a lady
from Martirano, but please continue to just paint us all as meaningless peasants. Both my grandparents could read and write and were educated. My grandmother
was actually fortunate to write as many ladies her age and slightly older from our town did not.
https://www.allamericanspeakers.com/celebritytalentbios/Prince+Lorenzo+de'+Medici/405958
Thu, 30 Jan 2025 17:05:39 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #19693991
sorry if you don't look at any of my links, here are what the homes in my mom's town looks like. my house is also
three floors. https://www.tumblr.com/celinaxd/766139318995746816/some-pics-around-adami-the-village-my-mom-was
Thu, 30 Jan 2025 17:26:23 -0800
Andy from private IP
Reply #16236045
Sheesh, it seemed like such a straightforward question in the original post.
Thu, 30 Jan 2025 17:43:26 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #13967787
This is what I wrote today as I waited for my appointment. Being Italian in the USA is a miserable experience. I
don’t just blame non Italians. I blame dumb 4th and 5th generation Italian Americans who don’t know crap about their culture and think Northern Europeans
are laughing with them. They don’t realize Northern Europeans and even non Italian Catholics are laughing at them and don’t consider them white.
see below my crazy experiences especially with my neighbor Doug. I can’t imagine what black people go through.
Also don’t you whites of northern european and anglo descent have bigger fish to fry than worrying about the current state of Italy or any Eu country? You are
so repulsed by your own women and they are repulsed by you that you guys marry Mexicans, Asians, Indians as JD Vance did, and even black women. When you do
marry a white, it’s a Slavic woman who uses you for citizenship and doesn’t procreate with you unless you are a millionaire.
Oh but continue to worry about Italians and every now and then a brain fart about Jewish boogie men cabals. Your people destroyed themselves and destroyed this
country. Instead of asking about Italy, why aren’t you asking about California which has been strictly under Wasp control?!? Is California the glamorous
place it was in the 1960s? Is the USA still the place it was?
You people won’t even exist in 20 years when you consider all the nonstop immigration from real third world countries. How about all the human trafficking not
just from Central America, but also from the Philippines? Read the late professor Alex Tizon’s essay about his family’s slave and read about how many
Filipino women have been rescued from slavery in SoCal. Oh but let’s worry about infrastructure in Rome or Florence which tourists have destroyed. Granted, I
don’t know any of you or your lives. I’m just speaking in general about Americans of northern European descent. They are self destructive. They are cowards
when it comes to really speaking their mind, but still think Italian jokes are funny.
I have a scum bag neighbor named Doug. Even though Doug still thinks we are friends, I secretly hate him and blow him off any time he suggests we meet up for
coffee or sushi. The reason for this? He is a racist. He is a 400 pound loser with white eyelashes and strawberry hair who had a daughter with some crazy lady
he met at a bar. Then her dad was a powerful cop who took measures to stop him from having unsupervised visitation. Doug is not even a Catholic, but a Lutheran
cuck with the dirtiest home I have ever seen. He claims to be Scots Irish ethnically. My black friends have cleaner homes than his and actually many black homes
are even cleaner than white homes. Poor and middle class whites and even upper middle class whites of northern European descent have some of the dirtiest
clutter filled homes.
All the same, he has been my neighbor for decades. When I was 18, the show Girls Next Door featuring Hugh Hefner with Holly Madison and the other girls was
popular. I bleached my hair blonde at the time in an attempt to try to look like the Girls Next Door. One day, I agreed to go for a ride with Doug and I
remember saying I hoped my hair would fade or I would have to dye it back because it was washing me out. Doug with a condescending laugh responded, “Sicilians
don’t look good blonde.”
I’m not a fucking Sicilian. Not that there is anything wrong with Sicilians, but not every fucking Italian is a Sicilian. All my blood is from the peninsula
not any island.
This made me so angry and was one of the first times I had my ethnicity insulted and was made to feel like an “other.” I told him I was not Sicilian, but
actually there are blonde Sicilians too. I told him there are even black women who look amazing blonde and he doesn’t own blonde hair. I got out of his car.
Doug was always making racist statements and looking back, he was a stormfront guy. He had become a neo pagan which is a big signifier. He was butthurt and
clung to whiteness after he was forced to resign from his job at the now defunct Circuit City due to a Mexican boss and his lack of upward mobility. Doug
sexually harassed me in the past too, giving me breathy hugs and touching my hand every chance he got. We eventually talked again, but I have hated him ever
since. I don’t wish bad on him or anything, but I just know he is somebody who views me as a nonwhite or at best, a lesser white.
Another time also when I was 18 or 19, I was fighting with my ex friend Margo. Margo is a white trash chick (father from Arkansas and mom with roots somewhere
like Rockford, IL) who now has 4 kids with 3 different guys and who sells stolen jewelry to buy drugs. If Italians are so fucked up, how come you rarely see
Italian girls like Margo??? In fact, Northern Europeans are more likely to do this stuff. All the same, Margo and my mother had some verbal dispute on the phone
and Margo bricked my mom’s car. We were fighting on the phone. Then, her first baby daddy this guy Jay Suerth who she was dating got on the phone and told me
to watch True Romance and told me I was really a Sicilian n*gger. I informed him that I wasn’t Sicilian and not all Italians are Sicilian. He continued to
scream the N word telling me I was a Moor. I was educated on my history even as a young girl to know Moors were not black and medieval raids whether they were
from Moors or Germanic tribes or even later colonization from France and Spain did little to alter the Italian genome.
Margo’s brother who was the head of a hillbilly gang also crank called my phone once and left a voicemail that I wasn’t white if I had brown eyes.
Years later, I had to work with Jay’s dad and his stepmother doing some activism to save the church. They completely would ignore me in meetings and treat me
like garbage. His son clearly got the racism from him.
Another time, my friend Jessica dated this fat guy. We went to his home once. His mom who was this big loud mouth Irish American Catholic lady. I wore a scarf
on my head and she said i’m my scarf reminded her of Aunt Jemima and she called me a Dago princess. It bothered me a non Italian using such a slur, but I was
just like 15 or 16 at the time so I stayed silent.
Over the years, I even had to tolerate whites and blacks calling Hispanics “Latin” appropriating our identity. We have to have right wingers and left
wingers attack Italians, Catholicism, and Columbus. I won’t get too deep into this topic, but it disturbs me so much that I can write pages on it and this
wall of text is already too much.
In law school, I had a friend named Brett. This sort of neckbeard white dude who wanted to talk to me about Ancient Rome like I give a fuck. One day Brett
called me exotic and olive. This really bothered me. I thought about it all weekend and was even unable to study. On Monday, I knew I had to get back at him. I
put my wrist up next to his and asked him who was whiter. He said, “Wow you are so white obviously you.”
I then asked why he would call me olive and why he thinks all Italians are olive. He angrily shot back, “Ok snow white.”
I have no green tones in my skin. I am not olive. I am not warm. If he did not know I was Italian, would he be calling me olive??? I told him it wasn’t about
being snow white, but that it’s not cool to dark wash people.
I decided Brett was not my friend after all this. I didn’t hate him or anything or wish bad on him, but he was just somebody I was cautious about and knew I
could never look at him the same way again.
I started to attend some groups at a Catholic Church in my area. The only non Catholic in our group was this obnoxious Greek woman in her 70s named Flora who
was proud af that she had married a WASP. Flora was retired from the airline and once she found out my mom
worked for the airline, they got to talking. My mom has been remote since like 2016 way before Covid, but they knew some of the same people. Then one evening,
Flora looked at me and said to my mother about me, “Wow she is so pretty and exotic. Was your husband Italian too?”
My mom answered yes and then Flora went, “Oh I could have never married a Greek or Italian. My husband was English Scottish and a gentleman.”
Throughout our courses, Flora frequently talked about Mediterranean people. This bothered me. She made other catty remarks too that I will not get into at the
moment.
I’m not fucking Mediterranean. Not every Italian is a Mediterranean. My mom was born in ten mountains. My father’s family are from even higher mountains. My
grandparents never went to the sea, but you want to imagine me as some dark haired woman on the Amalfi Coast or in Sicily.
When I was making posts on JDU years back, I listened to racial slurs from both whites of Northern European descent and even Jews who were happy that for once
they weren’t the target of jokes and racial slurs. I will not name names, but actually I will name a poster who is no longer online by the name of Karl
Farbman. Karl felt the need to insult Italy to me and even though he was doing it in a jokingly manner. Then he would talk about his wife and this is when I got
really offended and decided I disliked him as a poster. He claimed he didn’t know why his wife was obsessed with Italy anyway as she is only like 1/16th
Italian then proudly proclaimed her rest as being Anglo. He then said the only thing she had Italian was her large Roman nose. This offended me that he wanted
to assign ugly masculine characteristics such as large noses to Italian ethnicity. Later, he showed me a pic of his wife and her nose was not a Roman nose. Not
to mention, a Roman nose is a misnomer. We don’t in general have large noses compared to Poles and other groups. We either have bulbous Alpine noses or longer
Dinaric noses or somewhere in between.
Thu, 30 Jan 2025 17:45:37 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #12844324
continued..
I have never dated anybody of Northern European or Anglo descent for this reason, that they hate Italians. I will not be anybody’s exotic little swarthy girl.
I never even dated Irish or Polish Catholics. Although Poles and Slavs are less racist than Irish and have never said anything racial to me, they will only see
an Italian as a swarthy and at maximum as some “passionate” darker person. They will always see themselves as superior if they are blonder.
I only like Italian guys. I rather be celibate than go with anybody who is not my own kind. I also specifically only like to stick with guys from my own
ethnicity within Italy. I would never ever marry or date a Northern Italian. While my grandmother’s oldest sister did marry a Northerner in the 1950s and
while my great grandparents settled in Trento way back in the 1940s, this was before the days of people like Bossi (who hilariously ended up marrying a
Sicilian) and scum bags like Paolo Sizzi who lost his virginity at 35 to a Sicilian named Francesca Monterosso. I can go on and on about Sizzi and how I became
acquainted with him and found out he works at a supermarket and is just a loser. He is such a psycho. Bossi’s wife also should have spit on him and never
married him for the shit he talked about the South. I hate Matteo Salvini too. He basically looks Saudi Arabian and thinks he is a superior race and wanted to
say Neopolitans stunk. There are some bad people in Napoli, but they do not stink nor are they racially inferior to him. I don’t buy his reformed bullshit
period. Fuck the Lega Nord and I urge all southerners to not support them just because of their fear mongering over refugees. It’s one thing to have some
Nordic cuck insult me racially, but to have a Northern Italian insult me is even worse. Sizzi will NEVER cluster with a German as he wants. His ethnic similar
is Pep Guardiola. Again, Northern Italians cluster with Spanish and Southern French. The only exception to this general rule are Austrian ethnic minorities like
Jahnik Sinner who is distinguished by his surname and language. Otherwise, northern Italians are just western shifted southern Europeans and therefore inferior
to us. Sizzi is such a coward that he spent years on Stormfront and couldn’t handle hillbillies ridiculing Italians so now he became a microstate nationalist
and claims he is not really Italians. He couldn’t defend his people because he is a coward. For a while he did when he became an Italian nationalist circa
2019 after losing his virginity to the Sicilian. Then he went back to being a Lombard nationalist. Sizzi shows how insane people can go when encountered with
anti Italian bullshit. I had to be stalked by this guy who even draws pictures of me and creates a million socks just because I trolled him with an account with
Pavarotti’s pic. He harassed me by asking to see pics of my vagina. Vaginas are gross. I was so wrong to reach out to him. I didn’t know he was crazy and
racist when I first contacted him. I just saw some of his videos about dialects and saw he was a lonely 40 year old who lived with his mom. I just wanted
friendship. I never imagined him and his friend Massimo Galli and some Tuscan lady with black hair and black eyes would harass me so much.
Sorry but Italian jokes are not the same as Polish or Irish jokes. Nobody ever questions the race of Poles or Irish. Jokes against Italians are racial not just
due to cultural oddities or stereotypes. When you insult somebody’s ethnicity and country, you aren’t just insulting them or the land. You are insulting
their family and generations of their ancestors. I’m not trying to compare my situation to a minority at all not an I trying to say my treatment has been
similar to what black people encounter in America. I have also been fortunate to be somewhat ethnically ambiguous in that most people don’t know what
ethnicity I am unless I tell them. Even many Italians don’t immediately guess me for Italian as my surname Gliatta (misspelled Glitta in the USA) is an
italicized Albanian name. Obviously blacks came here against their will. Italians came here voluntarily which they should have known better. Better to combat
poverty in Italy especially post WWII. My grandmother always said her biggest mistake was coming to this country with 5 kids. We maintained our home in Italy
though and honestly if things get really bad here, I may go there 24/7 365. We were better off in Latin America than with people who hate us in USA. Even if I
hate most Europeans, if somebody asks me if I’m American or Italian, I will always say I’m Italian first.
We are the most hated ethnicity in the world. Hated by Northern Europeans who don’t want to accept that people “browner” than them could be so
consequential not just historically, but in modern times too. Aside from Columbus or Cristoforo Colombo, Tonti (referred to as Henri de Tonty by Americans who
want to use the French version of his name rather than the Italian version), and Giovanni Cabotto (John Cabot to Americans who refuse to acknowledge he was an
Italian) were all Italian too!!!! Minorities hate us because they just consider us whites with white privilege. Never mind how we have to be portrayed in
Hollywood either as criminals or as working class idiots with a vocabulary of 10 words and obnoxious east coast accents as if we do not exist outside of New
York and New Jersey. Jews of course hate us too because we aligned with the Axis Powers. Never mind that Mussolini was nothing like Hitler nor did he believe in
Hitler’s ideas about race. Yet American liberals love to call everything they hate “fascism.”
This post isn’t just a target to white Americans. Minorities have been terrible to me too. Once my ex who was Lebanese took me to a shisha bar. He went to the
restroom. There were these two Puerto Rican guys sitting at the next table and they asked me if that guy was my bf. I said yes why. They said because you are
pretty and asked me what I was. I said that I was Italian. They said, “That’s a spicy meatball and Mario Brothers.”
That was all these guys and many minorities know about Italians. My culture has to be dumbed down.
During the Floyd riots, I found out this hipster leftist historical guilt German American dude was behind the plight to remove Columbus statues in Milwaukee and
replace them with a pizza maker. I was so offended. I wrote him and said he wants Italians to just be pizza makers and poor immigrants. The dude tried to
compare his history to mine. We are not alike. While Benjamin Franklin criticized Germans and Nordics, it wasn’t the same as critiques towards Italians.
People who came to Pennsylvania and the Midwest years ago were weirdos. Amish and other crazy Protestant groups. That’s the only reason Franklin was concerned
about their customs. It was never racial.
Anyway, everybody has a right to be proud of their own ethnicity. I had to go through my life ridiculed for my ethnicity by both whites and minorities. I
shouldn’t have to be ridiculed. I didn’t select to be Italian and most people would select to be Northern European or German if they could select their
ethnicity. Unfortunately, we cannot select our ethnicity. Us “lesser” or “second class whites” still have a right to be proud of our own backgrounds.
Sorry, but there is no place for me in white nationalist spaces. Northern European whites talk about Italians and other groups with genocidal hatred. Even when
they speak positive about us it’s offensive and usually dumbs down our ethnicity. I also don’t care about their damn vacations to the Amalfi Coast or Lake
Como.
The question while straight forward was a loaded question. I don’t hate the person who asked it nor do I wish bad upon them just as I don’t wish bad upon
Doug or anybody who insulted me, but they have no clue how miserable it is to be Italian. Once an Indian dude told me about how nobody cares about Indian jokes
too. While I agree with him, there are many Indian jokes, most stereotypes against Indians and Asians are very positive ones.
Thu, 30 Jan 2025 17:50:14 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #13653471
My aunt (mom’s older sister) who is a darker “olive” woman who can only pass in Southern Europe married an Anglo
from Alabama. I can’t stand him and wish my aunt married Italian. While his mom is a nice lady who sends me a birthday card every year, she also never learned
to say my grandparent’s names as if we weren’t important.
It’s the worst thing to be hated for being white by minorities and to not be considered white by other whites. To be seen as a second class and lesser white.
To have lies spewed about your ethnicity and bloodline.
Thu, 30 Jan 2025 18:12:37 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #13187481
Oh here is my worst story ever and when I realized, I can never tell anybody my ethnicity and when I decided to remove
from resumes I sent out that I speak Italian and have dual citizenship. When I first got licensed I applied for some shitty job. I kept getting these phone
calls and nobody was answering. I assumed it was a telemarketer. I started screaming to stop calling my phone. Then I get a call back. It’s some attorney
saying his headpiece was broke. I apologized for screaming at him, but told him I thought he was a telemarketer. He then said it was ok and laughed and said he
is an expert of getting yelled at my Italians because his wife is Italian. This bothered me so much. I didn't say anything on the phone. I just felt paralyzed
in embarrassment to be belittled as a lesser white who can’t control myself compared to him, a composed man of Northern European descent. I looked him up
online. He was a straight up white guy from Ohio.
I later decided to write him that it wasn’t ok to insult my ethnicity. I told him if his wife were black or hispanic and I was black or hispanic, he would
have never said something like he is an expert at getting yelled at by angry black or Hispanic women.
White Americans of Northern European descent will never ever know what it’s like to be hated for your ethnicity. This guy’s wife was an idiot for being
married to him. I would never let anybody treat me as a swarthy or exotic.
Thu, 30 Jan 2025 18:21:34 -0800
marlon from private IP
Reply #19035114
did u post a pic of urself a few posts back?
Thu, 30 Jan 2025 18:40:53 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #12325348
I loved hearing Jimmy Carter’s black pastor tell the story about how he took him to this grave of this black man and
told him that this was the man who taught him about Jesus and I love how Carter wanted this man to know how black people were consequential to his life. It’s
so nice when a person of Northern European descent (especially a southerner) like Carter understands how important it is for other people to be proud too and
not feel like we are meaningless human trash from shit countries. You guys have the Founding Fathers and Vikings and whatever else you guys are proud of… well
us lesser whites and nonwhites also deserve to be proud of our own people. I love that Carter made it a point to tell his black pastor that it was another black
man who led him to Christ.
I dislike that so many Italian Americans support MAGA unconditionally too. Trump should have to earn support from Italian Americans who are more likely to
support him than non Italian whites. While I don’t hate Trump, he said nothing when our statues were destroyed. He did nothing when Lori Lightfoot did that.
He promoted racist nordicist theories about Leif Erickson which have been proven to be fake by Yale. The Vinland Map was a fake. Leif Erickson day was promoted
by the KKK.
BTW, I hate American liberals too and will never stand with them for all their anti Catholic and anti Columbus bullshit.
If Cuomo would have ran against Trump, I would have supported him though over Trump. Trump’s parents didn’t want Italians in their neighborhood.
Thu, 30 Jan 2025 20:21:21 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #19163895
also if nobody sees nothing else, here are my historical matches. i know some stormfront users want to claim that us
modern italians are such shit, we can't have crap to do with ancient rome or we must be the descendants of non european slaves in imperial rome. however, here
are my historical matches. I GET IRON AGE ROME. I HAVE ROOTS GOING WAY BACK TO NEARLY PREHISTORIC TIMES. SORRY. I ALSO DID NOT GET MATCHES IN MIDDLE EAST OR
AFRICA OR ANYWHERE ELSE. SORRY NORDICISTS OF THE INTERNET.
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this will also be my last post on the subject with these memes below not because i dislike nordics, but because they deserve what they give to others:
https://www.memedroid.com/memes/tag/mediterranean
#lightbox">https://www.reddit.com/r/virginvschad/comments/dvq7cb/norse_vs_mediterranean/#lightbox
I don't agree with olive skin though. We don't all have olive skin. I love though the part about stumbling upon the Americas and being unable to set up a
colony. HAHA! Only an Italian was able to link two worlds.
I'm also not Iranian, but this one is funny af. https://www.reddit.com/r/PeterExplainsTheJoke/comments/1cm8zjb/i_didnt_get_this/
THE BEST
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also, if we want to talk about italy being crap, how about sweden flooded with immigrants and they refer to kids in the school as "hen," because they want kids
to be trans.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10502827/Swedish-school-ordered-pay-student-12-000-teacher-refused-use-gender-neutral-pronoun.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/04/01/sweden-is-about-to-add-a-gender-neutral-pronoun-to-its-official-dictionary/
Them nordics sure are the best!
Thu, 30 Jan 2025 21:11:34 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #13366400
Farbman or some others would also mention ugly women like Lady Gaga and say they look “so Italian.”
Madonna was also ugly with flared nostrils. Lady Gaga is not even 100 percent Italian and neither is Madonna. The show The Sopranos (while I enjoyed it for the
early 00s vibes and other elements) also only included ugly women for their Italian characters and beautiful women for the Russians or the Hispanic Valentina.
Then they want to show a skinny gracile with no body like Ariana Grande who looks like she would give somebody a 4ft11 son. Hollywood wants to make it seem like
Italian women can’t be beautiful or feminine. Then for old actresses they only show Sophia Loren who was a home wrecker and not even that hot. They will never
show a beauty like young Claudia Cardinale who btw was a southerner. People like Giusy Buscemi, Maria Perrusi, or Miriam Leone are never shown because they
aren’t dark enough.
Then Monica Bellucci is the most beautiful actress who ever existed in my honest opinion. In since her face is soft and beautiful, nobody ever mentions she is
Italian.
Then for our men, they only want to show short, fat, ugly and dark.
Thu, 30 Jan 2025 21:27:03 -0800
whiteguyinchina from private IP
Reply #15735804
Sweden is actually punching above its weight. For most of history it was degenerate peasants who ate gruel. Vikings
are romanticized but I would not consider raping and pillaging the world as high culture . And yet here we are and it's all ikea volvo Erickson.
Thu, 30 Jan 2025 21:51:16 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #15559041
Stockholm looks ugly and depressing. Never been to Stockholm, but my friend is there now and sends me pics and it
looks ugly and ghetto tbh. Oh but here in America, we have to pretend Nordics are superior and the absolute highest level of whiteness. Helsinki was ugly and
industrial and on of the most boring places I’ve ever been. Iceland was nice, but only because of the nature. I noticed Nordicism is popular after the film
Thor. I guess Hollywood had to cater to the Stormfront crowd. People really should refrain from talking about a country or culture unless they are from there.
For example, it’s one thing for an American to insult America. It’s another when a European does so and it comes across as snobbery.
African Americans may call each other the N word, but that doesn’t mean it’s ok for whites to call them that.
Speaking of whiteness and blackness, I hilariously have two good friends who are half black and half while. They have a similarity! Both their moms are straight
up Germans from Germany! Central European, Germanic, and Nordic women love black men. Why do so many German women hook up with African American soldiers
stationed in Germany? Isn’t it funny you almost never see an Italian woman doing the same even though Americans are also stationed in Napoli??? Yet whites
want to worry about the whiteness of Italians. The funny thing is whites like Doug try to tell me racist jokes sometimes or complain about Mexicans, I no longer
indulge their racism because I know I’m only white to them when it comes to their desire to attack minorities. If the minorities weren’t here, they would be
attacking my whiteness or lack of. Nick Fuentes (product of a Mexican dad and a half Italian half Irish mom) seems like such a fool. No white considers him
white, but he is doing the work of Stormfront weirdos. Growing up is realizing I don’t need to be racist towards minorities or spread conspiracy theories
about Jews in order to be accepted as white by Northern Europeans. It’s sad that so many Italians try to cling to whiteness and think that Nordics and Anglos
will accept them if they are racist too.
I also think Northern European men are bothered by the fact that most of their women prefer everybody other than them.
Being Italian is the absolute worst ethnicity to be. I rather be black because then I would get social benefits and people wouldn’t insult my ethnicity to my
face and expect me to laugh at their jokes. I will never relate to whites and I had zero in common with my white friends growing up. Black Americans at least
can relate to whites more in since they all eat the same foods and they are part Anglo too now. Most black people are Protestant too.
Another time this big fat white guy who drove a white Jetta when I was a teenager and harassed me and a friend told me I don’t “talk like an Italian
girl.”
I guess I should talk like Adriana from the Sopranos or the cast of Jerseylicious to “speak Italian.”
Sorry, but I don’t need to talk like an east coast bimbo to be an ethnicity. I’m Italian because I grew up speaking my language my whole life and don’t
even remember learning it.
My friend and I were so repulsed by the big bald white guy in a white Jetta that we refused to even call him by his name. We called him “him.”
We would be like, “Him is calling.”
I also don’t need white nationalism because I have my own culture. White nationalism is the last stand of people with no culture who feel threatened when
really they shouldn’t be because they will always be the mainstream.
Thu, 30 Jan 2025 22:28:10 -0800
marlon from private IP
Reply #14031787
❤️ nice pics Italy looks so nice
Thu, 30 Jan 2025 22:43:09 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #19646540
@marlonTest thank you
Fri, 31 Jan 2025 08:32:02 -0800
whiteguyinchina from private IP
Reply #15833944
Those pictures look amazing
I spent some time in puglia and I remember all those beautiful centuries old olive trees, it was amazing
The oil was fresh and had an acidic quality, not at all like you get at the stores in usa
The seafood was also amazing
Definitely had the Adriatic vibe and I preferred it to naples rome etc which seemed more stuck up
Fri, 31 Jan 2025 12:32:08 -0800
marlon from private IP
Reply #16491715
zerosugar u look like a cutie pie, if that's u, all this time i was afraid i was talking w/ a fattie
Fri, 31 Jan 2025 12:42:10 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #18839670
@marlonTest thank you for the sweet
compliment.
Fri, 31 Jan 2025 13:06:04 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #18383812
@whiteguyinchinaTest Certain
areas of Puglia are not the best representations of the South.
The most traffic in Italy that I experienced in Italy was in Bari. I ended up in Bari by accident going back home after visiting San Giovanni Rotondo which is a
beautiful experience in itself. The areas around Foggia are not for everybody because so so rural and desolate, but are special to me because of my ancestral
connection to the place. I repeat although I border Foggia, I am not Pugliese as my ancestral village is technically in Campania.
With that being said, Amalfi is also a poor representation of Italian beach life.
People who really want to experience beauty in the South should go to Calabria, Sicily, and perhaps Sardinia although I don’t consider Sardinians to be
Southerners.
For me, Calabria is the most beautiful region and not just because it’s where my mom was born, but it’s not as accessible to tourists because it’s very
mountainous and almost nobody speaks English. Beach resorts like Tropea are sadly becoming more touristy though, but it’s mostly limited to German and other
European tourists. Pizzo is another on the Vibo Valentia side with a historic castle where Napoleon’s brother in law was executed by the Spanish and where the
dessert tartufo is eaten. On the Reggio side, you have the beautiful Scilla whereHomer’s The Odyssey is based. You can take a ferry to Sicily from Villa San
Giovanni. Then going up north, there is San Nicola Arcella (arcomagno) is just beautiful and Praia a Mare. These are on the Cosenza side. The beach closest to
me which is a parasailing beach is in the Arbëreshë town of Gizzeria. Gizzeria is not really for natural beauty though, but it’s a nice city beach close to
Lamezia to spend a day. I forgot some beaches on the Catanzaro side like Soverato. Soverato is beautiful too. My mom’s town is now considered to be part of
provincia di Catanzaro, but we were historically Cosenza. There is the Sila resort too for mountain life.
Of course, then there is the Crotone side. I love going to Le Castella which is the beach with the Aragonese castle.
I am more of a mountain girl though as my mom’s village is in the mountains.
Sicily is more metro, but Taormina can be fun for tourists. Sicily is safer than Napoli for sure.
Here are more pics I took in Calabria. I am including some in the mountains and some beaches like Tropea. The picture I took of the Senegalese guy sitting was
in Soverato. I wish I can find my pics of San Nicola Arcella, but am unable now. Anyway, it can be googled. Praia a mare is another nice one to Google.
You can also see roads with almost no cars and pics I took on the balcony of my home of the mountains overlooking the town of Soveria Mannelli where so many
Australians come back to.
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Fri, 31 Jan 2025 13:15:59 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #10827080
The pink roses are also the flowers that grow near my home. Depending on the time of the year I go back, different
things grow. If Im there in September, thats when the grapes come out and if I stay later into autumn and winter there are the persimmons. When I go earlier in
summer, I get to see my pink roses that have grown forever. The grapes were planted by my grandfather's mother.
We also have cherries in back, apples, and pears and in the back of my grandmother's home, there is a fig tree.
About Rome, for me, Rome is always magical. I stayed at the Excelsior in 2023 which was a very beautiful historic hotel. Rome is the only place where even in
the dead of summer in chaotic tourist tourist season, you get an eerie feeling of peace. Have you ever been to Ostia Antica which is similar to Pompeii, but in
Rome?? Have you ever spent time around Ostia? Have you ever actually spent time in Fiumicino outside of the airport which has some of the best infrastructure in
the world? There is a beautiful mall there too. The Parco Leonardo mall. The malls throughout Italy are definitely better than the malls in the USA. Italy is
also one place where you can be in certain regions and be the only car on the road sometimes. You definitely don't have that anymore in America. Also, unless
you are a Catholic, you just will not get Rome. So much of the city is now centered around Catholicism and if you are going for Paganistic Ancient Rome vibes
and maybe imagine lions in the street, well then you will be disappointed.
When I go to Italy, most of my time is spent at my home in Adami so my experience is so so different. However, I enjoy being a tourist and even when I visited
this guy's house in Abruzzo, I still enjoyed my experience on the bus from Rome to Abruzzo and back. I went last year in the winter and its magical. Italy
during Christmas season is beautiful and it goes on into February. I did not care much for Abruzzo as it's not my region, but there are some nice malls there
too and of course the mountains. Chieti is also a city thats even older than Rome. I also stayed some nights in February last year in a beautiful home in Chieti
that was just gorgeous that belonged to a friend of this man, of which I will post pictures in a bit as well as the mall in Rome beautifully decorated during
Christmas. Pescara is not my type of town though.
Fri, 31 Jan 2025 15:32:04 -0800
whiteguyinchina from private IP
Reply #19716952
Would totally love to travel to those towns you mentioned. Spent about two weeks driving around Italy and just did not
have time for everything. Would love to just take it very very slow and stay at some countryside airbnb. Stayed at this old house outside of alberobello and it
was amazing.
Did not make it to ostia antica. Was another place I had to cut out. Would love to see it.
My friend studied in Perugia and claimed it was amazing. I saw Florence but no small towns on that trip. Amalfi was also very nice, even the mobs of tourists
couldn't dampen the place much.
A doctor from bari saved my life as a child, I visited there kind of on purpose
Fri, 31 Jan 2025 16:10:21 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #17524083
Some of Abruzzo and the mall in Rome below. Sadly, iphones upload some pics side ways. Oh well. Abruzzo is sort of a
transitional fly over region (not really southern or northern feel or even quite a Roman central feel), but I managed to take some decent pics of the mountains
and again, Chieti is even older than Rome. It’s just a weird city because too large for the quaintness of small town life and too small for big city
conveniences.
I had never been to Abruzzo before 2023. Again, it’s just a region that many don’t really visit or only pass through because transitional. Italy is only the
size of Arizona really, but even though it’s small geographically there are just so many different cities that you need at least 3 weeks to a month to see a
good number of stuff. Then, of course many don’t even make it up to Alps which is a totally different experience in itself depending on the time of the year
somebody goes.
My great grandparents first settled in Trento in the 1940s after my great grandfather was in the military in Ethiopia for 6 years. My grandmother (mom’s side)
was from a family of 5 sisters. None remained in Calabria and I have almost no family except second and third cousins left in my mom’s village. Two of my
grandmother’s oldest sisters ended up standing way up north in Trento. The eldest married an ethnic northerner from the Alps. Of course, this was before
people like Bossi and Lega spread so much hate. My grandmother’s second sister married a guy from a town called Coraci in Calabria now too far from our town,
but they settled up in Trento. All my mom’s first cousins are still up in Trento. My great grandfather wanted to return to Calabria to die in the 90s and then
my grandmother and all her sisters returned to care for him.
My grandmother (born circa 1932) was the third in her family and went to the USA as my grandfather was born here in Chicago in 1923. He was nearly ten years
older than my grandmother, but he was a good man. His mother returned him to Italy when he was only 6 so despite being born in USA, he didn’t know nothing
about here and didn’t return here until he was in his 40s. His father remained behind and then the lines of communication were cut off during the war. My mom
and all her siblings were born in Italy. My mom was the youngest in her family and only 2 when she came here. My grandmother’s two youngest sisters went to
Canada and Australia. The one in Canada and Australia don’t return much to Italy except for a few times in the 90s. I have been going to Italy since I was 3.
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Fri, 31 Jan 2025 16:20:05 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #13711416
Thank you for the story about your doctor.
Italy is a complex country which has had all sorts of different eras. BTW, the largest lynching in the USA was against Italians so it’s totally not the same
as Irish or Polish jokes. Another answer to why Italy is different from say England or France is that cities in Italy were devastated during WWII, occupied by
both Americans and Germans at various times. The USA even bombed an elementary school in Milano and never apologized. Mussolini had zero to do with what was
going on in Germany and Poland at the time and his views were not the same as Hitler’s.
https://apnews.com/general-news-42baf2b84c8f4521924689376348ed1e
Anyway, there are scams throughout Italy just as any country that receives tourists. There are also honest people. Once I lost my iphone which was new at the
time in the mall in Maida in Calabria and the female sales associate found it and saved it for me and had it waiting for me when I returned. I left a charger
another time in another store and they saved it for me. I had the worst experience in Spain when a guy tried to steal my passport in a very aggressive manner.
Doesn’t mean all of Spain is bad. Just shady people who congregate when they think “rich” Americans are around.
Fri, 31 Jan 2025 16:25:29 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #16235337
My answer is also not to blindly defend Italy, but having been all around Europe, it’s definitely not the worst.
There are many countries with shady areas and most of the EU lacks the conveniences one finds in the USA.
Italy is flawed because it has the worst of the west and the worst of the east. It’s become too westernized in recent years in terms of morality (you have
unwed couples living together now, people covered in tattoos, etc.). They are doing things their parents and grandparents would be ashamed of and have become
too much like other countries, but at the same time they lack the conveniences that westernization can bring and maintain a certain closed mindedness and even
ignorance that you find in more eastern countries. All people are different though even if from the same country. It all depends on the families.
Fri, 31 Jan 2025 16:47:13 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #19040861
My grandfather also didn’t need to come back to America with his wife and children including my mother. He wanted to
return here because he was born here and his father was still here and his younger brother had come back years ago. My grandfather at that point when he
returned here in 1967 had already been working in Milano for years and years. He also had his land back in Calabria. It angers me that so many people in the USA
want Italy to be known for only poor migrants, beaches, obnoxious hand gestures, etc.
Once I was fighting with Steven Van Zandt online who played a terrible role as Silvio on the Sopranos. Most offensive portrayal. He was like a caricature of a
mobster and not believable at all. Anyway, this was during the Floyd riots and Van Zandt (a hardcore leftist) was basically calling everybody who didn’t agree
with all the destruction and burning down of cities a “racist.”
He then retweeted a comment of mine and some leftist Jewish middle aged lady from from New York who called herself “ethical gurl” tried to say I have no
right to speak as all Southern Italians were serfs. Well my family we had our own land and never worked the land of others. Nobody in my mother’s village
worked the land of others. We all had our own land. The funny thing is this woman would never have the nerve to ridicule any other group and if I were to say
the same thing about her group, I would be called a neonazi. That one dude who posts on legal forums nonstop cowgod who lives in Birmingham tried to call me a
nazi several times, but they can insult Italians all they want.
I also find it funny they target Southerners in particular when Friuli up north was an extremely poor region where much of the country migrated. Northerners
also dealt with pellagra. I find it funny that Americans and western Europeans now try to paint Northern Italians as sophisticated. Wasn’t their enemy
Mussolini a Grand Lombard from up north? lol.
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Sat, 01 Feb 2025 09:58:47 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #19115306
Another important thing to remember about Italy is even generalizations about regions are just generalizations. You
can have totally different vibes from town to town. There are even towns throughout italy that speak Occitan (dialect from Southern France) dialect. I feel in
my mom’s dialect while not Occitan, we have some words that are definitely inspired by French due to the history of colonialism. For example, in Italian an
apple is called a “mela.” In French, it’s called “pomme.” In my mom’s birth village, we call it “puma.”
There is a even a strange town in Calabria called Guardia Piemontese which was historically occupied and still largely is to this day by a Protestant group who
originated in Lyons, France who came down from Piedmont and had settled there before making their way down to Calabria (hence the name of the town) called the
Waldensians. Many were massacred in the middle ages.
Then in other towns over, you can have groups that speak Griko dialect.
In my father’s ancestral village, it’s Arbëreshë dialect. Medieval Albanian, but I believe in a neighboring village they speak Occitan. These two towns
used to fight each other supposedly as one were on the side of the Spanish and the other on the side of the French. These towns are also unique in that although
in Campania, they have nothing to do with stereotypes of Campania and the city of Napoli because they border Puglia and are much closer to Foggia and ethnically
tied to Foggia as well as to their historical ethnic ties whether Albania or France.
My two main ethnic groups on 23andme are Foggia (per my father) and La Sila (per my mother).
Anyway, in all regions there are also poor and rich people too. My mom’s village Adami (now sadly largely a ghost town) was historically and even to this day
nothing but large landowners and farms and single family homes. People who fight nonstop over land and will go crazy if anybody cuts the grass or plants
something on to another’s property line, but if you go to neighboring towns like San Bernardo or Soveria Mannelli, you see more apartments. My grandfather
made the mistake in the 90s of giving away a large piece of land to my grandmother’s cousin’s son who my grandparents had baptized. The state later built a
highway on this land and he got tons of money which is why I suspect he wanted the land as he knew something we didn’t. The only generalization you can make
about Italy is its largely a land of farmers.
Sat, 01 Feb 2025 10:15:19 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #18908815
The only similarities Mussolini and Hitler had is that they promoted a national identity. Hitler was Bavarian himself
and clearly tied to that strong Catholic Bavarian identity, but he discouraged regionalism. Strong regionalism in Italy was also non existent under Mussolini.
Dialects of course always existed and my grandmother even remembers they taught dialect in the schools along with Italian. However, nobody hated somebody for
not being from their region as what’s so common in Italy today. Mussolini himself was a Lombard, but not a racist like Bossi and Salvini who hate southerners
with every inch of their body hilariously believing themselves to be Celtic. There were Celtic like groups throughout Italy and the Celtic League doesn’t
accept them for a reason.
While I love dialects and uniqueness about regions, I also feel extreme regionalism such as that which exists due to groups like Lega Nord (started largely in
the 1980s and 1990s) divides Italy. There are some southern separatist groups too, but not as vocal as the northern separatist groups. People who promote
Lombard nationalism are especially ignorant. Lombard nationalists are just Padanists with a different name. They ignore the fact that the Lombards were
throughout Italy, north and south. In fact, provincia di Benevento in Campania which borders by my father’s ancestral village was a Lombard province. Italy is
very divided and its crazy that a country the size of Arizona can be so divided, but it is what it is. Ages before the 1860s when Italy was unified, Italy had
been unified in the past under the Roman empire which is why there were the first coins with the name Italia on them. If Italy is to go forward, we need strong
leaders like Mussolini or the late Berlusconi to unify. Late in his life, Berlusconi dated only Southern women. His last two gfs were from Napoli and Calabria.
Sat, 01 Feb 2025 16:15:41 -0800
marlon from private IP
Reply #13450467
Sugar must have a high IQ how does she know all this stuff
Mon, 03 Feb 2025 04:10:10 -0800
whiteguyinchina from private IP
Reply #15384859
That's exactly why I asked her this question,she knows a ton about italy
Sun, 23 Feb 2025 16:02:10 -0800
shithead from private IP
Reply #11592835
"Anyway, everybody has a right to be proud of their own ethnicity."
Why in the approximate fuck would you take pride or shame in something that is beyond your control? Are you proud that the sun shines in the morning?
Like, literally, like fucking MEEP.
Sun, 23 Feb 2025 18:15:32 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #15868686
@shitheadTest
Well, whether you want to admit it or not, humans do identify in various ways including by ethnicity and race and sometimes even social status.
I think people can be proud of what they want as long as they are not alienating others who do not belong to that group. Charles can be proud of his mother and
his lineage as long as its not alienating to the regular pub guys and football hooligans in England who may not be able to relate to that type of prestige.
Some people are against black history month, but I support it because black people should get a chance to be proud and reflect on famous historical figures from
their own communities, not just to talk about white historical figures 24/7. With that being said, let whites continue to talk about whites. People want to talk
about the history of their people as well as the present, whatever that present may mean.
Sun, 23 Feb 2025 18:33:23 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #19635383
@shitheadTest
also you have never known what it’s like to have your ethnicity stereotyped negatively and painted out to be garbage. maybe when you experience that you will
know what it means to want to be proud and to want to look for examples of people who do not fit into stereotypes of your ethnicity. negative stereotypes
against italians are just as bad as stereotypes against blacks. of course, i’m not trying to compare my experience to a black person because they were brought
here as slaves and i will never know what it’s like to be a black person living in a world where almost everything 24/7 is white/european. i just know how
much it sucks to not fit in with whites. if i feel uncomfortable around whites sometimes, i can’t imagine how a black person feels.
i do just know what it’s like to be really ashamed of my ethnicity and embarrassed when people ask me what i am and not wanting to answer especially when they
want to ask me what region.
you are a jewish man who appears white and who enjoys latin americans and iberians for some reason. i think that’s a very neutral identity and you are super
lucky in that even if many people dislike jews and even if anti semitism is really on the rise, most stereotypes against jews are not negative at all. these are
the stereotypes: wealthy, powerful, intelligent, white collared, etc.
when somebody thinks of jobs a jew does, they tend to think of lawyer or doctor or professor or hollywood executive. contrast that with other ethnicities.
italians are only painted as either blue collared racists, criminals, exotic foreigners making obnoxious hand gestures, or some horny dark haired guy desperate
for a blonde tourist. then italians in the usa are painted the worst. we have to be responsible for every obnoxious jersey shore type on the east coast who
doesn’t know a damn thing about italy. not to mention, people fail r to understand, there are different waves of immigration and diasporas. not all of us are
the only product of early 1900s immigration, although there is nothing wrong with that too.
Sun, 23 Feb 2025 18:34:51 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #16525877
and you also can’t compare italian jokes to irish or polish jokes. although some stuff about irish and polish are
embarrassing too in that they are painted as alcoholics and sometimes also as being blue collared, nobody will ever question the whiteness of an irish or polish
person. nobody will insult their race.
Sun, 23 Feb 2025 18:51:15 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #13437862
@shitheadTest
also there are different types of pride. there is of course pride towards individual accomplishments such as finishing an art project or passing an exam, but
there is also nationalism which is a more collectivist sort of pride. you are focused on more individualistic pride which tend to be things under one’s
control.
Sun, 23 Feb 2025 18:52:43 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #13910210
you also can’t control what your kid looks like, but if your kid is attractive you may be “proud.”
we can be proud of things not under our control. you didn’t select to be american, but you can be proud of that too.
Mon, 24 Feb 2025 05:11:46 -0800
shithead from private IP
Reply #13749382
Nationalism is evil.
Are you proud of Benito Mussolini?
Mon, 24 Feb 2025 05:13:55 -0800
shithead from private IP
Reply #19708593
Also, this primitive sort of ethnonationalism has no place in the jus soli countries of the New World. It's the reason
why Yurp is the most blood-soaked, genocidal continent on planet Earth.
Mon, 24 Feb 2025 07:34:58 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #17957441
@shitheadTest What do you even know
about Mussolini and what did he honestly do to you? Sorry, but you are talking a very distorted view of history regarding Mussolini and it’s wrong to claim he
was the same as Hitler. Pro tip, Mussolini was not a racialist at all and even though he was a Lombard, he was not at all like the Lega today who are very
racist towards many different groups. Most old people still alive today have positive views of their lives during Mussolini’s time aside from the allied
powers bombing. You know what? Are you proud of the Allied Powers bombing an elementary school in Milano?
Also, isn’t the most blood shed currently in Gaza? I really don’t care about Palestine or Israel. I don’t have a dog in the fight. You can be a little
less obviously hateful though because the reality is you blu have a problem with Europeans being proud of who or what they are. I bet you would never say the
same in Mexico to the Mexicans you love.
Mon, 24 Feb 2025 07:45:08 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #12866605
@shitheadTest
nationalism is and national socialism are not the same thing. look at yugoslavia,
people you align with tried to force a pan identity. communism was forced on these people and they couldn’t even celebrate their holidays without because
people like you were saying “nationalism” is bad.
communism was promoted and ethnic identities were destroyed.
this led to a very bloody war and while people like you will lie and say serb nationalism caused the war, the reality is milosevich didn’t adopt serb
nationalism until very late in thin conflict. i say this as somebody who is ethnic albanian to a certain extent but with an identity very clearly different from
modern albanians. you want to blame serbian nationalism for yugoslavia, but it was the blood the communists shed. same in russia, look at what the bolsheviks
did. russia was peaceful during the days of the czar. Europe and most societies do better under monarchies and ultimately monarchies are best at preserving the
rights of ethnic minorities too.
Mon, 24 Feb 2025 07:51:02 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #17054497
ughh typos throughout my phone 🤷🏼‍♀️
the french revolution was also the first example of blood shed in europe and a precursor to communist revolutions such as what the bolsheviks did in 1913.
so i support monarchy ultimately and believe monarchists are important to bring national pride to the people while also preserving the rights of minorities.
finally, the blood shed in syria from people who wanted assad gone is clear as day. jolani’s thugs are now free to murder anybody they want and impose their
views. my friend who is alawite, her cousin’s entire family were murdered. her cousin was never a military member or shabiha. they just want to kill the
alawite. the alawite are also not a normal twelver shia group. they are a religion that has even elements of greek theology in their faith and they celebrate
christmas alongside christians.
Mon, 24 Feb 2025 07:53:01 -0800
shithead from private IP
Reply #14336737
wow just wow, cazzo di merda
SO FIERCE
Mon, 24 Feb 2025 07:54:27 -0800
shithead from private IP
Reply #15954250
Milosevic yoked himself to Serbian nationalism early in 1987, with his imflammatory speech at Kosovo Polje.
But you do you, beFierce me something Fierce.
Mon, 24 Feb 2025 07:56:39 -0800
shithead from private IP
Reply #13965309
Anyhoo, ethnonationalism has no place in a jus soli nation of mongrels and mutts like the United States. I suggest
fucking off back to Yurp if you think otherwise, where you can cut throats and slay people based on minute differences between white people (like you) with bad
skin who stink of butter.
Mon, 24 Feb 2025 08:00:08 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #19085216
@shitheadTest I have my citizenship
and can return to my home. However, yes there is nationalism in the USA. Not always a nationalism based on ethnicity, but it can be based on a shared history.
If we want to be more narrow, it can be a sense of nationalism for the Anglo. There are also various historical groups in the USA. You can even define the
Mormons as a sort of ethno religious group. Can Mormons be proud of being Mormons? To be some of the first people who crossed into the western frontier?
Mon, 24 Feb 2025 08:03:27 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #11313126
@shitheadTest I have been told I have
good thick skin. Not every write person has thin skin or fitzpatrick 1. The only whites who don’t tan tend to be from the British Isles and even some
Atlantics like Catherine Zeta Jones and Tom Jones actually tan well. Nordics and Germans and Central Europeans actually tan good and have good skin.
I also am not on the earth to care about whiteness. I just care about my own history and my own people. Doesn’t mean I dislike others, but when your people in
Hollywood want to paint Italian characters as idiots with a vocabulary of only ten words… well then yes Italian nationalism is needed.
Mon, 24 Feb 2025 08:08:12 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #11074854
@shitheadTest of course my answer
didn’t include pride for native americans if you want to call them native because even natives are believed to have crossed the bering strait. this theory is
solidified as genetics are studied and the link between native americans and the far east is uncovered. still, i will use the term native american and ask if
they should have a right to be proud of being the first people to inhabit this land?
back to milosevich though, nearly every former yugoslavian i speak with acknowledges that serb nationalism wasn’t a thing until later on and rather communists
forced a pan identity onto the people. even the word “yugoslavia” means land of the south slavs which is insane considering some groups like albanians have
no connection to slavs. albanians are just southern europeans ethnically with some connections to central europe. there are also germanic populations in
slovenia.
Mon, 24 Feb 2025 08:08:21 -0800
shithead from private IP
Reply #19761220
Fuck's sake, shut up with your 'Aryan' pseudoscience.
Do you even speak Italian?
Mon, 24 Feb 2025 08:12:33 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #18816492
@shitheadTest you also belong to an
ethno religious group yourself and jews even if they are atheists will always say they are jewish. hence, not really sure you can point fingers at europeans.
nationalism exists amongst all people whether european or levantine or asian or african. im not sure what whiteness has to do with anything.
butter is great though, but i do not just cook with butter, i cook with different oils like olive oil too.
Mon, 24 Feb 2025 08:14:15 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #10343133
@zerosugarTest
subito mi vuoi insultare. certo che parlo italiano e sono stata alla scuola in italia quando ero piccola. non scrivo perfetto come una che ha fatto universitĂ
lì ma parlo bene e anche parlo il mio dialetto.
Mon, 24 Feb 2025 08:15:16 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #15439785
@zerosugarTest hai pensato che sono
una tipica italo americana ignorante. ma va. fatti una vita.
Mon, 24 Feb 2025 08:18:43 -0800
shithead from private IP
Reply #17029419
Scrivi come una pazza, una lunatica. Ciao.
Mon, 24 Feb 2025 08:19:15 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #19713005
non scrivo dialetto però lo parlo e scrivo in italiano. adesso ti mando un vocale.
https://voca.ro/1kwoxCAdLAvt
Mon, 24 Feb 2025 08:20:32 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #17792753
https://voca.ro/1bx66NWSRJ2k
Mon, 24 Feb 2025 08:21:56 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #13352700
https://voca.ro/12x3s036GaFw
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zerosugar from private IP
Reply #13661262
https://voca.ro/1ilMcYD7131e
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zerosugar from private IP
Reply #11226340
https://voca.ro/1bAqQuorwUWt
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zerosugar from private IP
Reply #11010338
https://voca.ro/19ngMpOLz6GI
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zerosugar from private IP
Reply #18922032
https://voca.ro/1e5KttDlANLc
Mon, 24 Feb 2025 08:32:09 -0800
Andy from private IP
Reply #13685975
Guys, can we dial it back a little? This is getting pretty crazy.
Mon, 24 Feb 2025 08:33:56 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #12895801
@shitheadTest also what science am i
putting forth? aryan pseudoscience? not sure i even talked about science anywhere. aryan is a term i don’t use much though. i think it refers to iranians not
europeans though so not sure what your attacks on me are for.
Mon, 24 Feb 2025 08:39:59 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #18120821
https://voca.ro/14efBYdPYTre
Mon, 24 Feb 2025 08:42:54 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #18680940
https://voca.ro/1jiIHQH5Wtie
Mon, 24 Feb 2025 08:44:22 -0800
Andy from private IP
Reply #18577812
What are all these links you're posting? Are they audio recordings?
Mon, 24 Feb 2025 08:46:27 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #14363957
https://voca.ro/193iynwavw28
Mon, 24 Feb 2025 08:46:38 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #12989067
yes they are vocals
Mon, 24 Feb 2025 08:48:06 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #18474228
https://voca.ro/1by3sV2lwyfT
Mon, 24 Feb 2025 08:55:09 -0800
Andy from private IP
Reply #18442743
@zerosugarTest why are you posting
so many audio recordings? Are these directed @shitheadTest? What are you
saying on them? I'm afraid to listen!
Mon, 24 Feb 2025 09:01:26 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #12159705
@AndyTest Im honestly chill. He gets
angry though and says swear words, but it’s all good. The audios don’t say anything special. They are just audios in Italian in since he asked me if I speak
Italian so the audios are just me speaking in Italian and he didn’t answer with an audio back so I assumed he doesn’t speak and then I left him two audios
in English. I sent multiple as the app cuts off.
Mon, 24 Feb 2025 09:11:39 -0800
shithead from private IP
Reply #15646497
pbl
I'm not listening to those recordings. Don't want to infect my laptop with pazzia.
Mon, 24 Feb 2025 09:19:37 -0800
shithead from private IP
Reply #16143656
I AM THE POWER!!!
Mon, 24 Feb 2025 09:30:08 -0800
shithead from private IP
Reply #15970260
I used to work in Milan, and it didn't look like Argentina. There is a Corso Buenos Aires in Milan, with some of the
best shopping in a city with some of the best shopping in the world. I got a pair of Prada bowling shoes there, actually at the Prada mothership in Galleria
Vittorio Emmanuele.
I still have those shoes.
Mon, 24 Feb 2025 09:39:01 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #12519305
@shitheadTest vocaroo is a very
popular app so not sure it can infect your laptop as you aren’t downloading anything.
Mon, 24 Feb 2025 11:04:41 -0800
shithead from private IP
Reply #19372494
Pazza, I'm 49 years old and haven't kept up with all this shit. Besides, I am a busy man, and don't have time to try
to decipher your prolix yammering.
Remember that less is more.
Mon, 24 Feb 2025 14:53:00 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #17171824
https://voca.ro/1bjRY7suNrUQ
https://voca.ro/14xLVkI862Ve
@17216898 Andy 👍 @11442399 Andy 🤣 @19663791 Andy 👍 @14031787 2601:249:8e00:4810:21b2:5fa2:a068:7999 ❤️
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