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Fri, 21 Nov 2025 13:36:56 -0800
marlon from private IP, post #17212089

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circular reasoning & abortion

lack of laws against abortion will lead to more abortion.
abortion is a safety net, a moral hazard, just as
having access to car insurance will lead to more accidents.
is that circular reasoning ?

Fri, 21 Nov 2025 16:12:56 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
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Abortion is a complex issue. In the past, women (including teenage girls) were sometimes raped and then forced to have the babies and then the babies were
placed for adoption by force. Even girls who may have had sex voluntarily were still victims. The movie the Magdalene Sisters depicts these consequences in
Ireland and how abusive some clergy even were, but it happened in other countries as well. I saw a documentary recently on illegal Greek adoptions that was just
heartbreaking. People who have struggled to reconnect with birth parents in Greece.

The point I am trying to make is that adoptions and secrecy were very common in societies where abortion was illegal and this was also very very messy.

This doesn’t mean I am pro abortion, but I do recognize how in the past when women who were just too young or victims of rape were forced to suffer a lifetime
of shame and of even being denied access to their children.

This doesn’t mean I believe in third trimester abortions or even second trimester. I think the first trimester should be the limit and I believe in access to
plan B pills as a safer alternative to surgical abortions and the abortion pill RU. I also believe there is nothing wrong with abstinence and just keeping your
legs closed if you don’t want a child.

With that being said, rapes are much less common today than they were in the past where a woman would maybe be working the fields in her rural village and a
pervert would come along and rape her. Sure, rapes still happen in cities and modern societies, but not as much as say the 1950s or 1960s when the Magdalene
Sisters took place. Hence, sometimes it’s fear mongering when the pro abortion folks try to completely shut down the pro life people.

tl;dr I don’t like abortion, but I also don’t want to live in a society of mass adoptions and kids separated from birth mothers like was common in the past.
It’s just a super complicated issue. Access to Plan B which is taken up to 72 hours after unprotected sex seems like the safest option that also doesn’t
seem like a terrible moral wrong.

Sat, 22 Nov 2025 00:56:36 -0800
zerosugar from private IP
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I also of course think that even as messy as adoption is, at least the child is born and keeps their life. However, it’s impossible to ignore all the problems
that went on with adoptions years ago especially in certain countries. Women were sent away to give birth and then had their children ripped away from them.
Plan B just seems like the safest option for kids who have lapses in judgment or if the condom breaks. It’s not the abortion pill.

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