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Tue, 27 Oct 2026 11:04:15 -0700
whiteguyinchina from private IP, post #14056248
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What I don't understand about Middle East
This guy has said that Israel must prepare for war against Turkey and Egypt
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israeli-spy-jonathan-pollard-wants-iran-map-threatens-war-turkey-and-egypt
The Yemen houthis are supposed to be proxies for Iran
Houthis are threatening Saudi Arabia.
Turkey and Egypt have agreed to help Saudi Arabia. So against Houthis. So obviously their interests are somehow threatened if they agree to help.
So aren't the Houthis helping Israel in one way? But aren't they allied with Iran, which is the biggest enemy?
Is this how complicated Middle East politics are?
Tue, 27 Oct 2026 16:06:15 -0700
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #12554165
Its pretty nonsensical. You would think Israel and Iran should be the best allies against Wahhabbi (Sunni extremist) terrorism, but no. In the west and even in
the Middle East (Israel included), the majority of terrorist attacks are committed by Sunni. The Houthis and Hezbollah are all Shia. I do think Israel noted
that Hezbollah heavily supported the Palestinian cause. Likewise, there were some members of Hezbollah who committed terrible crimes in Israel like Samir
Kuntar. Kuntar himself was not even Shia, but from the Druze ethnic group I believe. All the same, I think its crazy Hasan Nasrallah lived his whole life
fighting for Palestinians (majority of whom are Sunni) and who believe Shia are heretics.
Turkey and Egypt are majority Sunni so they will help their Sunnah brother against what they belive are those Twelver trouble makers. These countries KSA,
Turkey, and Egypt are all allies and all aligned with USA too.
Shia are for social justice heavily. They tend to be poorer than Sunni. They are more tolerant of non Muslim faiths. They do get into some weird stuff sexually
like mutah marriage and Iran has like the highest number of sex changes next to Thailand. Shia are however extremely wealthy in the Gulf like Kuwait. In Yemen,
the Houthis are fighting against a government backed by Saudi. The Shia had to fight against the royals in Bahrain too.
Anyway, I am obviously Catholic, but I can appreciate some Shia mysticism and quotes. Some of the stuff is genuinely beautiful. I feel the Shia religion has
certain elements that remind me of Catholicism while the Sunni can seem more Protestant/Puritanical. Sunni men spend way more money though and will spend their
last dollar on a woman.
"The moment you start arguing with an ignorant fool, you have already lost" Ali (R.A)
Tue, 27 Oct 2026 16:10:59 -0700
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #12119420
P.S. Assad should have just stopped worrying about Palestinian militia groups who anyway destroyed his country despite his father giving them refuge. They
definitely destroyed Lebanon during the Civil War. He should have aligned with Israel. The Sunni already blamed his father for giving away Golan Heights anyway.
I do hope Israel will eventually form an alliance with the Alawite and help create a state for them. These poor people who were the poorest of the poor even
under Assad have been subject to so much persecution by Jolani's government. Executions and people hiding in houses for months out of fear of execution. The
Alawite really have nobody else.
Tue, 27 Oct 2026 18:46:32 -0700
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #13680175
Bush recognized the Sunni involvement of 911, but oddly got the wrong guy. Saddam was not a terrorist and definitely not Wahhabi. Counties like KSA and Qatar
were where these Wahhabi ideas come from. Saddam was a dictator yes, but he wasn’t some religious dude. He believed in God of course, but lived a very secular
life and ultimately ideologically was a moderate. After the fall of Baghdad, the Shia were left in power.
What’s interesting is even though Saddam drank and didn’t live the life of a devout Muslim, many Sunni revere him now as this lion of the Sunnah. Many
former soldiers in Saddam’s army ended up joining Isis. In sum, after Iraq there was a slight western shift towards the Shia, but now it’s all about the
Sunni again and the USA supporting Sunni leaders unconditionally even when these leaders like Erdogan in Turkey spread certain ideas. The Muslim Brotherhood may
not be straight up Wahhabi/Salafi, but they still spread these ideas.
Anyway, I felt so bad for Saddam when he was hung and that’s when I really started to get into Islam. That’s sort of a phase I’m over now as now I am more
interested in Western history, monarchies, and just Western travel in general. I still find the Middle East fascinating, but after studying it for 15 years, I
have learned all I need to learn. The French had the right idea by siding with a moderate group like the Alawite who some archeologists believe have elements of
Greek mythology in their religion. I can see that! Genetically, I believe the Alawite have heavy Caucasus mountains ancestry with little to no Arabian and
Natufian ancestry. They are original Levantine people along with the Druze and many Christians and sad to see them slaughtered by these Takfiris who should be
sent back to where their ancestors came from. The orientalist writer and Belgian Jesuit Henri Lammens believed the Alawite actually were a crypto Christian
group. They do celebrate Christmas and drink wine. One thing that is known about them is they weren’t even accepted as Muslim until the more liberal Shia
cleric Musa al Sadr (look at his phenotype) declared them to be a branch of the Shia in the 1970s. Now they do revere Ali, but I still believe so different from
normal Twelvers. In the 1950s, an Alawite dude escaped into Lebanon and started publishing secrets of the Alawite and he was assassinated. I first found out
about this group in the early 10s driving though Jabal Mohsen.
Also another phenotype you should look at is Dany Chamoun and no he wasn’t half western. He was pure Lebanese Maronite. Some Muslim extremists try to minimize
the history of Christianity in the Levant and claim many Christians there today are the descendants of crusaders. They forget about the strong Greco Roman
influence long before the Crusades.
Tue, 27 Oct 2026 18:52:56 -0700
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #14890044
tl;dr the Sunnis are becoming more aligned with Israel because they respect their sovereignty. Many Shia social justice groups simply do not which again boggles
my mind because most Palestinians are Sunni and many believe the Shia are heretics. Its absolutely nuts the Shia go crazy defending a group who mostly dislike
them.
Wed, 28 Oct 2026 06:04:49 -0700
whiteguyinchina from private IP
Reply #10921047
Still confused, but thanks
Wed, 28 Oct 2026 09:10:54 -0700
zerosugar from private IP
Reply #12548164
@whiteguyinchinaTest They (KSA, Egypt, and Turkey) all of whom are
countries with large Muslim Brotherhood influence in governemnt. The Muslim Brotherhood are a Sunni Islamist political movement. All are allies. They basically
want to curb influence of Shia in the region hence their war on the Houthis who are a Shia militant group fighting a Sunni government.
Wed, 28 Oct 2026 11:26:25 -0700
whiteguyinchina from private IP
Reply #10400418
Will have to look up difference between sunni and shia.
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