Sun, 12 Jan 2025 07:00:43 -0800 Andy from private IP, post #13552050 š /all Was thinking about A.I. yesterday and have some conclusions Do you think cognition and perception are impacted substantially by quantum effects, or require quantum effects to exist? I'm asking because in some rat driving study videos I saw, the rats are able to drive surprisingly well toward their food reward. Their driving decisions and corrections, such as turning in the correct direction after hitting a barrier and then hitting the throttle to move closer to the food reward, look shockingly good to me. They also seem to decide their next actions very quickly. It's as if there is a quantum element that's not accounted for in classical decision theory, because logically, a rat should not be able to drive this well-- or quickly execute a sequence of vehicle movements that may be on par with, or even better than, some human drivers. Related question: if you put a person in deep space, away from any local gravitational or magnetic fields, would they still think and perceive the same? I guess astronauts who have gone as far as the Moon still think normally, but what about further out? Maybe this could this be tested with rats further out in deep space who are exposed long-term to zero gravity. It seems to me that if cognition/perception require gravitation or a quantum effect that's inherent in spacetime, then it would not even be possible to think except within the universe-- and an A.I. that tries to mimic the human brain would be doomed to fail because transistors simply do not experience the same quantum effects as neurons. I'm not sure what it all means, but it seems relevant to some of the big questions of our time. If you assume that quantum effects are required for cognition and perception, then thinking and perception are only possible inside the universe. Therefore, either God is inside the universe, or God does not exist. I'm not sure which is more scary. Discuss? #Technology Sun, 12 Jan 2025 07:49:46 -0800 whiteguyinchina from private IP Reply #14235818 š I have thought this in context of jet lag, we are also so dependent on the circadian cycles that space travel seems really impossible unless you replicate those cycles the same way you artificially produce air and water. That goes for us and for anything we are trying to grow or breed in space. There always an article recently that said kidney function for astronauts was dangerously affected by even a short time in space. Which means long range space travel is really just a fantasy. Have you ever seen that one research or movie from 1970s where they picked up electrical spikes from plants or shrimp when another plant or shrimp was killed in a separate room? That is pretty weird. Mon, 13 Jan 2025 13:43:22 -0800 marlon from private IP Reply #10875737 https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8760708/?ref_=rvi_tt When robotics engineer Gemma becomes the guardian of her orphaned niece, Cady, she thinks her new invention, a robotic AI, will be a good companion. However, M3GAN begins to behave in unexpected and shocking ways. Mon, 13 Jan 2025 15:08:32 -0800 zerosugar from private IP Reply #17787067 I agree AIs can be good companions depending on how advanced they are. I saw M3gan when it came out lol, at the Lake cinema in Oak Park. It was freaky, but I was also expecting a little more. Another similar film I recently saw was with Megan Fox on Netflix. It was called Subservience. This Italian actor Michele Morrone was in it too. I used to sort of think he was cute, but my mom doesn't like him as she feels he is too dark. I guess I can see her point. I sort of sometimes get Arab or Indian vibes from him depending on the picture. I don't think he is dark dark, but I dislike his tattoos. Tattoos are not my thing. As for God, well I think science cannot really prove or disprove God. Of course, there are still things unexplained by science like medical miracles, but skeptics will always say they are a coincidence. The rules of the universe do not apply to God if God made the universe and can change it all at the switch of a button. IMHO, it's pointless to think about simulation theory and it's the attempt of skeptics to explain what they cannot explain while at the same time denying all traditional notions of God. Elon Musk really seems to believe in simulation theory. Of course, it was a priest himself who put forth the Big Bang theory an obviously there are limits to that too just as there are limits to Darwin's evolution when you think about organs. If anybody has ever seen the 4400, the character of Jordan Collier reminds me of Elon Musk. People struggle with thinking whether he is a good or bad guy. A modern messiah who has come to make things better or an anti Christ? Then, to throw the audience off they give him the initials JC. The Messiah series on Netflix was also freaky. Anyway, the miracle of the sun in Portugal was witnessed by thousands. Skeptics have an answer for it of course too, but don't deny the people witnessed what they saw. There have been other apparitions throughout human history and odd events. This one in Russia from 1956 really sticks out to me. https://www.stnicholascenter.org/who-is-st-nicholas/stories-legends/modern-miracles/miracles-russia/strange-miracle Mon, 13 Jan 2025 15:13:43 -0800 zerosugar from private IP Reply #13477837 copied and pasted for those without the smart phones- A Strange Miracle of Saint Nicholas in 1956 A true incident which shocked and brought repentance to hundreds of people in the Russian Soviet city of Kuibyshev (modern day Samara), in the year 1956. In the city of Kuibyshev there lived a family: a pious mother and her daughter ZoĆ«. On the evening of New Years Eve, December 31, 1956, ZoĆ« invited seven of her girlfriendsāand just as many young menāover for dinner and dancing. At that time it was the fast for Christmas* and ZoĆ«'s mother begged her not to plan a dinner, but the daughter insisted on having things her way. That same evening her mother went to church to pray. All those invited came, except for ZoĆ«'s fiancĆ© who hadn't arrived yet. His name was Nicholas. The young ladies and men got into pairs and ZoĆ« was left alone. Not knowing what to do and without really thinking, she took down the icon of St. Nicholas the Wonderworker from the wall and said, "I'll take this Nicholas and I'll go dance with him," not paying any attention to her friends, who advised her not to commit such a blasphemous act. "If God exists, let Him punish me," she said. And so she started to dance. She did two or three twirls, when all of sudden there was a fearful noise in the room, a whirlwind, and a blinding light flashed like lightning. The former joy turned into fright. Everyone fled from the room scared. Only ZoĆ« stood there motionless, with the icon of St. Nicholas stuck to her chest, petrified and frozen like marble. The doctors, who arrived quickly, were not able to bring her to her senses in spite of their attempts. The injection needles, which they tried to stick in her, bent and broke as they hit her marbleized body! The doctors wanted to take her to the hospital, but were unable to move her from the spot. It was as if her feet were nailed to the floor. But her heart was still beating! ZoĆ« was alive. However, she was no longer able to eat or drink. When her mother came back and saw what had happened, she fell unconscious and they took her to the hospital, where she stayed for several days. Her faith in God's compassion and her warm motherly prayers for the forgiveness of her unfortunate daughter, by the Grace of God, restored her vitality. ZoĆ« came to consciousness and with tears she sought forgiveness and help. ZoĆ«'s house was surrounded by a crowd of people. The faithful who came, or, even yet, walked from afar, the curious, doctors, and spiritual leaders. But the authorities quickly ordered the house closed to visitors. Two policemen guarded the house in alternating eight-hour shifts. Some of the guards' hair turned white, even though they were still young (28-30), from the fright of hearing ZoĆ«'s terrifying cries every night. Night after night her mother was next to her, praying. "Mama, pray! Pray, because I'm lost on account of my sins! Pray!" ZoĆ« would cry. The Patriarch was told all these things and asked to pray for ZoĆ«'s recovery. The Patriarch replied, "The one who is punishing her will also have mercy on her!" After that, ZoĆ«'s allowed visitors included: 1. A prestigious professor of medicine came from Moscow. He confirmed that her heart did not stop beating. 2. Priests, who the mother had invited so they could take St. Nicholas out of ZoĆ«'s hands. But they could not pull the icon away from ZoĆ«'s petrified hands. 3. The Hieromonk Seraphim from the Glinsk desert, who had come to Kuibyshev for the feast of the Nativity, performed the Holy Water service and blessed the icon. Afterwards he said, "Now we must wait for some sign at Pascha! If nothing happens, it means the end of the world is drawing near!" These words show his deep faith in miracles. 4. The Metropolitan Nicholas, who also read the Paraklesis and said, "We must wait till Pascha for a new miracle," repeating the saying of the pious hieromonk. On the eve of the feast of the Annunciation (which that year fell on the Saturday of the third week of Great Lent) a genial elder approached the guards and asked them to allow him to see ZoĆ«. The police guards refused. The elder came again the following day, but was again refused. The third time, on the day of the Annunciation, the guards allowed him in. The guards heard how much compassion he spoke to ZoĆ« as he entered, "Now then, did you get tired from standing?" A little time passed and when the guards wanted to kick the elder out, he wasn't to be found in the room. Everyone was sure that it was Saint Nicholas himself. ZoĆ« had stayed standing there for exactly four months (128 days) until Pascha, which that year fell on April 23 (May 6 on the New Calendar). On the night of the Glorious Resurrection of Christ ZoĆ« started to cry out especially loud: "Pray!" The nightshift guards started to tremble and asked, "Why are you crying out so frightfully?" Pay attention to her answer: "How dreadful, the earth is burning! Pray! The whole world is lost because of its sins, pray!" From that moment ZoĆ« was revived, her muscles started to become soft; she came back to life. They eventually put her on a mattress but she continued to cry out and call all to pray for the world which is lost because of its sins, for the earth which is burning because of its lawlessness. "How did you stay living up till now? Who fed you?" they asked her. "Doves, doves fed me," she answered. From this, it was clear she had received mercy and forgiveness from the right hand of the Lord Almighty. The Lord forgave ZoĆ«'s sins, by the attendance of St. Nicholas the Wonderworker, and because of her great tribulations, and her standing for the duration of 128 days. All of these events shocked the inhabitants of Kuibyshev and the surrounding areas. Many people again found their faith in God, having seen the miracles, hearing her screams and her entreaties for us to pray for the people who are lost on account of their sins. They returned to the Church with repentance. Those who didn't wear a cross started to wear one, even though at that time you might have paid with your life just for that. The return was so en masse that the churches didn't have enough little crosses for everyone who sought one. With fear and tears the people sought forgiveness for their sins, repeating ZoĆ«'s words, "How dreadful, the earth is burning, we are lost because of our sins! Pray! The people are lost because of their lawlessness!" On the third day of Pascha, ZoĆ« left for the Lord, since she had traveled the difficult road of standing for 128 days before the face of the Lord for the forgiveness of all her sins. The Holy Spirit had preserved her life all of these days for the resurrection of her soul from the death of sin, just as in that eternal day to come it will resurrect her body for life everlasting; for that matter, just as her name itself means: ZoĆ«ālife. NOTE (from the Russian original) In the Soviet press of that time period ZoĆ«'s incident was brought up. Answering the letters that came to the management of a well-known newspaper, one haughty scientist claimed that the occurrence with ZoĆ« is really not that incredible, but he declared that it is one form of muscular rigidity still unknown to science. This falsehood of such a hypothesis is apparent, seeing that: First, with rigidity such a petrified hardness of the skin does not occur, so much so that the doctors are not able to inject the sick. Second, a person infected by such a sickness can be moved from one place to another, while they were not able to move ZoĆ«; she was standing up straight definitely much longer than average people can. Third, a sickness by itself does not return a person to God and does not bring revelations from Heaven. While in ZoĆ«'s case, not only thousands found their faith again in God, but they showed their faith in deed, that is, they were baptized and lived morally. Not only did they believe that God exists, but they became Christians. From this it is clear that we are not talking about some simple illness, but about divine economy. God truly makes fast the faith, to deliver people from their sins and from punishment because of them. * In Russia, feasts follow the Old Calendar; the Christmas fast is from November 28 until January 6 of the following year. Sun, 19 Jan 2025 07:30:32 -0800 Andy from private IP Reply #10309717 After thinking about this at length, my opinion is that God is inside the universe with us, which is personally terrifying to me. But I prefer that option over God not existing at all. I've also concluded that the "platonic realm" is imaginary and does not exist at all. Which means I'm done being an idealist...sad, but part of my progression as I gain more knowledge and experience over my lifetime.Replies require login.
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